But it is now anyway, yes there are a few people still doing well on the old bike but the numbers of them on the grid have fallen off a cliff, something to do with mileage issues and fuel use? Either way, personally I am gagging for them to make a 800
Hmmm...well even Triumph themselves stated they didn't want to continue any sort of factory effort in racing and frankly I can't blame them one bit...it's just not cost effective for a company that small (comparative). But is anyone seriously going to be "OMG...They built a 700cc whatever bike!! I'm not riding that POS!!" Maybe....most will just buy the new bike and be happy with it. Or not. Their loss.
That's never going to happen though, would be too close to a superbike. Depends how you look at it. The fact the Daytona was doing well in national and world championships definitely influenced my decision on what bike to buy. Although on a similar note - seeing the MV's terrible reliability in WSS has put me off one of those!
actually agree with Darren, what goes on in various race series' has never and will never have an impact on any bike i buy, not sure why it would either there's no comparison between the two one gets the arse ragged off it by a pro rider week in week out, the other gets ridden a few hundred miles by the likes of me and you (no offence) otherwise we'd all be riding R1's and i think we can all agree that would be horriffic lol
No, me neither but the race series have turned the bikes into stuff that simply isn't as good at doing what need it to 90% of the time, hence why I believe that the bigger engines are fine as long as the thing that benefits is the flexibility of the engine and not just top end power. I still love the 2010 Daytona though, just had it all.
Better than nothing at all. Which is definitely what will happen to the 675 as it will be illegal to sell because of euro 4.
I don't agree. There will be no 600s for sale in the market. Honda has finished now and Yamaha and triumph are going to finish. If there is a marketplace full of sub 140 bhp 800cc bikes, that will clearly be a different segment than 200bhp superbikes.
Exactly! And once the manufacturers figure it out superbikes will be 210-215hp because numbers sell.... So then 140bhp becomes mid range and 80hp becomes the lightweight between a2 and a mid
I'll be interested in what they produce to replace the daytona. Back in the development of the first generation the development team looked to be making a bike which was mainly to be ridden on the roads but made for track. It's a shame that they aren't looking to do the same again. Cc aside they run the risk of limiting to scope of rider who could be buying triumph. Why not run the larger engine for euro4 and aim the development towards track again. Ducati seem to have it sorted with the 959
Although it won't be any different to sub 140bhp 600s which we have at the moment? Except they will be lazier to ride as you won't have to scream them. Ducati seem to have started all this upsizing thing with the 899 and now frankly ridiculous 959. Where's it going to stop?
I really like the idea of a bigger daytona, as said, it would have to stay light and agile. After getting the thruxton I'm finding myself wanting for more grunt out of the 675. Dont get me wrong I think the daytona is exquisite, but when you want to use the bike in the "fun zone" your very capable of loosing your licence... not helped by advertising the matter to a 2 mile radius.
Numbers just don't matter though, it's about how it rides, the 899 has to be a bigger engine to get anywhere near matching how flexible the 675 engine is. The 959 has more peak but the increase in power was only because the bike was getting 7kg heavier and they wouldn't sell unless it had more power. Also euro 4 means that revving the brains out of bikes isn't going to fly anymore, they will go further and further towards long stroke torquey engines that produce less noise and use less fuel. Racing will suffer but they won't have money to go racing without selling their product.
How is making it bigger cc going to help that?! But it does, else we may as well stick a Rocket III engine in it because it would make it easier/lazier to ride. I prefer squeezing everything out of the engine - something that you can do relatively easily with a 675, not so with bigger bikes (I only ride on track though). I prefer the fact you can't be lazy with gearshifts and it rewards you more for screaming it. I've no issues with them making a bigger cc version, I just don't want that to be the only version available. I'm pretty sure they sell enough street triples / tigers etc to fund the racing too.
Agreed, but to sell a road product they just can't chase revs anymore because they can't make them clean enough. Unless of course they go down the aprilia route and sell u a 'pista' track only bike, but again, noise limits are reducing. I'm not sure there is an answer to suit every customer, just an engineering puzzle that needs to be solved without customers seeing next years products as simple fatter and slower. Which is how I feel about the 959, it's 7KG heavier than my bike, produces circa 6hp more top end, but the low end, the bit I need on the street is nearly 10hp down! Just to get it through emissions regs. I don't wanna see that for the Daytona :-(
Won't matter...North America is Triumph's biggest single market, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. Euro 4 changes won't affect it one bit. They'll go where the money is... it's a sound business model.
Look at the Panigales. 1299 and 1299S for the street which is 1285cc. Then the Panigale R which is aimed at track and racing is still 1199 (1189cc). They publicly laid out their position a few years back saying they were now developing all super bikes with the road in mind and the bigger cc was a result of looking for more torque and flexibility from the engine.
On another note, If I had the money I would love to buy a new daytona to keep with 0miles. Could be a nice little investment
