Just out of interest, how did he pull you over? If someone tried to stop me with all the bike jacking going in I'd probably have thumped him!
Siren and hidden lights. Heard the siren and was looking round to see where it was coming from, couldn't believe it when I saw the lights on the bike!
I'm not here to help as I don't have any relevant information or knowledge on this subject. However I really hope it's something you can fight against. I mean I swear this is what every rider does surely? If your wrong them we're all wrong!!
Ok, not read all of the responses, but my 2p, would be, you probably caused other road users to brake, as you 'created' a gap, your words. That's it right there! iirc, you are not supposed to cause other road users to change speed because of your actions, you did, so his wording may sound harsh, and I agree, but you effectively forced your bike between cars to create a gap. You wouldn't have seen the car behind you brake, to allow your forced gap, the Police rider will have!? I'd leave well alone, and take it on the chin, yes it's shit, and very unlucky, but that's just your bad luck that day and moment. If you appeal, what if he then states your turn right manoeuvre etc?
They might say that. But if you exceed the limit you have a hard time defending it. Sound like the bloke who pulled you needs to get a life.
Following the sage advice of Guy Martin 'better to regret what you have done than not done', I think it's worth an appeal. That's just me though.
In my Bike safe course I did this, and then did what the OP did, pushed in, I got grief that day, because, as I put earlier, I forced another road user to brake or change direction because of my action. That's why I think the OP got grief. Pretty plop though.
I think probs I'm guilty of this all the time, mainly because most drivers have switched off as soon as they hit 40 mph, and rely on others to anticipate the road ahead on their behalf. They seem to brake only when they see brake lights come on the car in front. However they leave just not quite enough space for overtaking...until you "squeeze" in the gap, then they'll suddenly wake up and drop off the back of the catepillar line of nose to tail traffic! It works every time...might be illegal? but then so is driving without attention, or sleeping at the wheel.
Whilst two wrongs don't make a right. If we all followed the rules then yes there's enough room to do a proper overtake. But how often do you see the 2second rule in use other than your gap. It's unreasonable to pick on the one individual (motorcycle) when the rest of the traffic are not following the rules. And remember we can stop and accelerate faster than most cars.
The not in uniform argument won't hold water. You recognised him as police the moment you obeyed the instructions to pull over. Section 59 is only a warning. If you don't get stopped riding like that again it won't be an issue will it. If in the future the relevant constabulary wanted to take you to court it would have to be for the substantive driving offence, due care etc. the section 59 power is just used to seize vehicles.
Can you elaborate further? So the OP is at no increased risk of being dealt with harsher than any other member of the public the next time a police officer stops him ?
Lot of advice being given as if your going to prison. It's a warning. To be honest unless you ride like a constant dick then I wouldn't be to concerned. There definitely isn't really any point in taking a warning any further.
Section 59 is a tool to allow police to seize vehicles used inappropriately. The warning applies to both the person and the vehicle. So if Joe gets a warning on his Triumph and then Joe rides in an anti-social way on another bike inside of 12 months that other bike can be seized as Joe knew of the warning. The only surprising part might be if Joe sold or leant the Triumph to another, Bert. If Bert gets pulled up for anti-social use. On that bike then the bike can be seized. As has been said its just a warning to calm down.
Sorry but in your example Burt did not receive a warning. There for under section 59, the criteria for seizure isn't fulfilled. If you get caught a second time and they do try to implement it. STAND YOUR GROUND, For a Section 59 to be issued, two separate criteria must be fulfilled: 1: If a motor vehicle is driven in way that causes alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public or is likely to AND 2A: If the driving is considered driving without reasonable consideration for others/driving without due care and attention OR 2B: If being driven off road
The warning applied equally to the vehicle and the person, both get the warning recorded. So Bert could get the bike seized when he is riding inappropriately because that bike has previously been stopped in a similar fashion and the owner should have told Bert. Doesn't mean the police have to take action against Burt directly though.
A couple of my experiences and thoughts. You are legally allowed to filter/overtake on solid white lines. Not sure if there is a maximum speed the traffic has to be under. But it has to be safe to do so. So overtaking station traffic is alright as long as you can say it was safe. The other week I was being stupid and filtered through 60mph traffic on a dual carriage way. And filtered past a marked cop van. Didn't hear owt from it. But that was dangerous and did expect to get pulled. Has anyone ridden through London? The local bikers are mad, they weave in and out of traffic all day and there not Goin slow and they seems a normal standard of ridding down there. Graham
A couple of my experiences and thoughts. You are legally allowed to filter/overtake on solid white lines. Not sure if there is a maximum speed the traffic has to be under. But it has to be safe to do so. So overtaking station traffic is alright as long as you can say it was safe. The other week I was being stupid and filtered through 60mph traffic on a dual carriage way. And filtered past a marked cop van. Didn't hear owt from it. But that was dangerous and did expect to get pulled. Has anyone ridden through London? The local bikers are mad, they weave in and out of traffic all day and there not Goin slow and they seems a normal standard of ridding down there. Graham
I quite often filter at “high speeds” to and from work and by that I mean when the traffics going 40 or 50 on the motorway, I’ll happily sit in between lanes filtering gently. Said it before but its one of the safest places to be on that particular road as cars can often come to a complete standstill with no indication that theyre going to and I also find I can watch what the drivers in front of me and either side are concentrating on (if anything) just by the view I get of their mirrors. I also find that if you sit behind a lot of the cars these days that are either very tall, wide or have tinted windows you cant see far enough ahead (and if you ease back someone else jumps in in front of you) If I get pulled I’ll quite happily explain what I was doing and why. graham, im not sure a plod vans ever going to give chase to a bike on a busy dual carriageway - i could be wrong on that ofc
